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From: Kevin Gowen <kgowenNOSPAM@myfastmail.com>
Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan
Subject: Re: No guarantor for an apartment?
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:32:10 -0400
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Fabian wrote:
> Kevin Gowen hu kiteb:
> 
>> Fabian wrote:
>>
>>> I've been offerred a job in Tokyo, but the company says they will not
>>> act as a guarantor when I look for an apartment. As I understand it,
>>> acting as a guarantor essentially says "this guy has a steady income,
>>> can afford to pay the bills, and won't run away on you". So for an
>>> employer not to act as guarantor is essentially the same as saying he
>>> won't guarantee to pay you every month.
>>
>>
>> Wrong. You forgot the biggest thing a guarantor says: "If this GAIGIN
>> trashes the apartment and/or skips town, I am legally bound to pay for
>> the damages and/or rent he didn't pay"
> 
> 
> So he is saying that he doesn't trust me not to trash an apartment, 
> right? That isn't much better.

No, he is saying that he does not want to legally bind himself to pay 
money on your behalf. I think you will find that most employers, 
regardless of their country, choose not to be the insurors of their 
employees' homes.

>>> Am I being paranoid here, or am I wise to avoid this job?
>>
>>
>> Get an apartment where you won't need a guarantor, or find a
>> guarantor. The fact that your employer does not want to take on the
>> responsibility of being your guarantor does not reflect poorly on it
>> at all. Ask some Japanese who their guarantors are. Most will name a
>> parent or other close relative.
> 
> 
> I don't think asking Japanese people who theirs are is a valid 
> comparison. 

You think wrong.

> In their cases, their parents are 1) in the country, and 2) 
> Japanese. These are critical factors in being a guarantor.

Nope.

I find it odd that you are talking about the critical factors of being a 
guarantor when you still apparently have no idea of the duties a 
guarantor assumes.

- Kevin