Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!CALA-MUZIK!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!indigo.octanews.net!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: corset_bound_freak@yahoo.com Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan Subject: Kimono Date: 22 Aug 2006 21:49:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 110 Message-ID: <1156308579.144479.279800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.215.89.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1156308584 6349 127.0.0.1 (23 Aug 2006 04:49:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:49:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.215.89.1; posting-account=J-l7oA0AAAB88G79IsK4V_lp6wp02xik Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:164226 To all fans of the Kimono, I read an article here on Kimono which I found funny. The article was in my opinion, one sided....Whoever this person is, it sounds like they never wore an obi!....Here is a quote from this article I read: "What ultimately makes kimono, is the way to wear it, not the shininess of kimono fabric itself. I once saw a woman wearing kimono in a hurry, quickly wrapping her obi in simple man's style, and still her character was mostly Japanese, attractive and most kimono-like. As often heard from the experts, when worn correctly, kimono should bring no discomfort to woman. Some disagree though. For example, the fact is that woman cannot eat much when wearing obi. You simply cannot tie it so loose that it would allow woman to enjoy a satisfying meal. This has without a question affected growth of young women in old time who wore kimono through their youth in Japan. Following feminist statement, from a male writer says: "The kimono has a criminal record. For hundreds of years, up until the twentieth century, the kimono has unilaterally insulted the female sex and caused women to suffer. It has prevented free expression and impeded natural growth. When women finally removed their kimono, they burst in the shackles of feudalism. But now the silky insinuating voice of kimono is heard again, seeking to confine women to the dim and cramped backstage of life. Who would say it's appeal is simply due to a feminine desire for elegance? We must expose kimono for the pernicious device it is. " - Clothing historian Murakami Nobuhiko, Agura o Kaku Musumetachi..." Zoe replies: I was laughing reading this! I have never felt "insulted" by an item of clothing! Nor has wearing a kimono made me suffer, prevented my free expression nor 'confined me to the dim and cramped backstage of life'! HAHAHA! Quite the opposite on all these things actually! Vintage clothing IS part of the way I express myself! Fashion for women through the ages has been about women expressing who they are. In fact WOMEN usually designed or sewed their own clothes (Marie Antonette invented the corset). I am a successful women in a male dominated job. I do equal work and get equal pay. I am petite and feminine, 5'1 and 105 lbs. I spend all day in a dirty gym lifting weights and wearing pants. Nothing makes me feel more relaxed and feminine than coming home, throwing my dreary, sporty work clothes into a laundry basket and putting on a nice frilly pin-up girl robe, or an elegant silk kimono. Let's not forget ALL the confining fashions throughout the ages, corsets, girdles, high heels, etc. A kimono in contrast to many historical fashions, is quite comfortable. Also, as tight as I ever wore an obi, I never had any trouble eating or breathing (especially compared to a corset!) I would have to agree with the experts on this one, when worn correctly, kimono are not any more restrictive than a prom dress. Furthermore, there are many different kinds of kimono and obi, some (like a yukata) are light silk or cotton and others like a furisode or wedding kimono are more heavy and restricive with lining and multiple layers. Also, geisha preferred the girlish, straight hipped body type and associated large breasts and curves with age and motherhood, hence the reason obi are not made to cinch the waist. For anyone who has ever tried to tie their own formal obi, they are thick and bulky and it's difficult to make them really tight. I actualy think an obi could be beneficial in a health sense because it supports the back and is only uncomfortable IF YOU SLOUCH. Poor posture is bad for you anyway, both in a fitness sense and a visual one. Another point, if a 'satisfying' meal means being stuffed, that's bad for you too, small frequent meals are key in losing weight in a healthy manner. Most Japanese food is so artful and satisfying, its difficult to overeat and if you ate that much of it (such as squid, tofu, or sashimi with wasabi and sake) you'd have a lot worse problems than a tight obi! Ever notice there are no photos or paintings of hunchbacked, overweight geisha to be found? Even very old geisha are thin and have a good posture. Let's not forget the shoes traditionally worn with kimono. Zori, geta and even the tall oboko shoes are more comfortable then most modern high heels. Do high heels confine and insult women too? Tell that to every high power female office worker from New York to Los Angeles! Regardless if we feel that women's clothing represses us, the fact remains that women choose what they wear, women have and always will ultimately decide the fashions. We are either trend-setters or fashion followers. The one point I agree with is the WAY you wear a kimono makes the outfit. As with any woman's favorite outfit, when she wears it she has confidence. Go to anywhere where women are dressed their best and watch the way they move: Head up, back straight, small, smooth steps, elegant and calm-cool facial expression...Like a geisha, like an actress on the red carpet, like a runway supermodel, like a woman on the beach in a new bikini, like a woman jogging in a half shirt showing off the body she earned...Most women like looking good and will go to great lengths to make this happen and when she knows she looks good, it shows. The modern world is a busy, hectic, stressful place and no matter what a woman chooses to do with her life, her actions and her personality determine far more than her clothing. Fashion can be confining or empowering depending on the person wearing it. I find the history of the Kimono far less insulting than modern day teenage pop stars with bleached (cough...Britney Spears...cough) hair and breast implants. Either way, it's a woman's choice to look how she wants and it's not for me to decide what makes other people happy, much less what holds them back or what makes them millions...By the way here is a tip for kimono wearers: If the long sleves got in the way, women were known to tuck them into the obi...Some food for thought............Zoe