Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!news.heimat.gr.jp!taurus!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!postnews.google.com!l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "John W." Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan Subject: Re: RASHOMON Date: 18 Feb 2005 05:52:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 71 Message-ID: <1108734775.787985.179740@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1108439605.544379.140890@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <42133E63.7600F77A@yahoo.co.jp> <1108589259.092407.72510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4214D322.DE6DF252@yahoo.co.jp> <1108662756.514257.182700@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <4214F1F1.819E5753@yahoo.co.jp> <1108675003.401172.75020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <4215EF1F.CA1DF353@yahoo.co.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.32.36.230 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1108734779 24446 127.0.0.1 (18 Feb 2005 13:52:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:52:59 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <4215EF1F.CA1DF353@yahoo.co.jp> User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=67.32.36.230; posting-account=IGBrEwwAAABPCeBilOMHVky8YEHrk0Ub Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:25369 Eric Takabayashi wrote: > "John W." wrote: > > > You will see, however, many examples of > > young > > > women or girls of sex objects in American live action movies, > > magazines or > > > online pay sites such as those with a girl's first name and age plus > > dot > > > com. This month I read the claim that 60%? of child porn online > > originates > > > in the US. A far cry from the time maybe 80% was claimed to originate > > in > > > Japan. > > > > I certainly agree it's a problem here. Lately it seems to be getting > > worse, and I can't help but wonder if the anime influence isn't part of > > that. > > You believe that entertainment, and from a foreign source at that, > resulted in what we see? Wow. In part, yes. Don't read too much into what I said, though; I said influence, and I sincerely believe that's true. It does work that way, you know; the entertainment industry (of whatever country) is going to give audiences stuff that makes said industry more money, and the anime trend has been strong for quite some time now. You're probably not aware of it since you're not here, but there are even US-made anime-style shows. And I do believe this trend has influenced the broader spectrum somewhat. (I also believe our reality shows are influenced by Japanese shows; some stuff I've seen on Fear Factor, for example, is reminiscent of stuff on prime time Japanese shows.) > Then if Hollywood came out with shows like > in the 50s, with strong moral or religious overtones, we'd return to the > glory days when men acted like gentlemen, women acted like ladies, and > children behaved and had respect for their elders. > Yes. That's exactly what I said. Brilliant of you to figure that out. > > But Japan is still home to wonderful shows such as Sailor Moon > > that depicts a young girl as a heroic figure wearing an impossibly > > short skirt. > > Yes. And the US has its own way of objectifying young women and girls > (actual humans, not drawings), because animation in the US is mainly > geared toward children, as through those countless websites and forms of > mainstream media such as movies or magazines. Do you also hold Japanese > animation responsible for cosmetics and adult fashion being aimed at or > becoming popular among increasingly younger girls (say late elementary > school age) in the US? I doubt the recent popularity of Japanese pop > culture has anything to do with the decades old trend of American girls to > wear short skirts or pants, revealing tops, or visible underwear, or the > way males notice or (mis)treat them. > You are correct. So? John W.