Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!news.heimat.gr.jp!news.jone-system.com!mmcatv.co.jp!news.moat.net!news.airnews.net!cabal13.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Kevin Wayne Williams Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan Subject: Re: Scanlation Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:08:20 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <10kkvqliqak6gb0@news.supernews.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: ja, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2qs19mF134hkuU1@uni-berlin.de> <10kj5g67ehl7a62@news.supernews.com> <2que50F134hkuU5@uni-berlin.de> <10kk5cuhi372c0a@news.supernews.com> <2qv626F134hkuU7@uni-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <2qv626F134hkuU7@uni-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 43 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:18522 Kevin Gowen wrote: > Kevin Wayne Williams wrote: >> You think most kids go out and buy their own computers and set up >> separate modem access to the home? Most of these juvenile file-sharers >> are doing so with computers and modems supplied by the parents. > > > Drawing on your legal education, tell me why this matters. It satisfies one of the tests for aiding and abetting, in that it is assistance in the commission of the crime. To satisfy the other test (acting with knowledge of the criminal intent of the perpetrator and with an intent or purpose of either committing, or of encouraging or facilitating commission of the offense) requires demonstrating the intent and knowledge the parent. Demonstrating that can range from impossible (the truly computer illiterate parent with no clue as to what little Johnny was up to) to trivial (Kid:"Boy, Mom, this dial-up crap is so slow, it takes me hours to download DVDs." Mom:"Well, then, it's time get you DSL, so you can complete the family DVD library!"). Other cases would be grayer: buying the kid an upgrade to the computer or a new computer after the parent had become aware of the criminal use could be seen as being done with an intent to facilitate, especially if the parent had used one of the downloads. A similar argument could be made for every month's payment on the DSL line. > >> The lack of morals and disregard for property ownership probably comes >> from the same source. > > > I thought you atheists became all hands aflutter when people started > talking about lack of morals. It's always irritating to listen to people argue that superstition is the only basis for morality. This isn't a case of selling spark plugs on Sunday: real entities suffer real financial harm. > It's also very hard for me to listen to > lectures on property ownership from a communist. Still a strong advocate of property rights for corpses? That's how you get Kennedys, you know. KWW