Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!DirecTVinternet!DirecTV-DSL!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Disaster" Newsgroups: japan.anime.evangelion Subject: Re: Controversial Theories? MY thoughts! Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:42:06 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "Disaster" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 154 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org japan.anime.evangelion:687 "DBM" wrote: > Touché, Mr Wignall, Some Very Good points for me to consider! > > I originally wrote this reply to Mr Wignall's comments, & I had hoped > to detail responses to all of the points he raised. Unfortunately, I > was either unable to create a worthwhile counter, or else I was > unnerved by how 'large' my reply was ballooning out to. I'm still new > to sending News group posts, & I hope that the size of this one won't > cause problems. IF I've done it right, this message should only have > my new material in it, with a few references to Mr Wignall's missive. > > Err... Mr Wignall, if Yui was born in 1977, & died in 2004, then she > was 26 to 27 ish, not 17... And while Kaworu & Rei may have > 'human-shaped' bodies, their bodies are NOT human... More below... We know for a fact that Rei's body is human as it was cloned from Yui's DNA and Yui is human. Further even if her soul had influence on this process, it's the mother of humanity touching a body for her soul. If anything this would make it more human. (Michael knows how old Yui was, that was a typo as discussed previously) > Why not have Rei's 'birthday' the same as Yui's? There's no better > place to hide than in plain sight? After all, it would HAVE to be a > coincidence? Right? OR perhaps it could be seen as the act of a > maudlin Gendo, acting as guardian for a child he named after the > daughter he & his wife never had, an 'orphan' that Gendo allowed to > have the same birthday as his late wife... This is over analysis. Rei's birthday would be the day that her body was first created. Whatever that happens to be, I doubt it's Yui's birthday, likely it appears that it is in fact her absorption date. > If Rei has no birthday, how DO you measure her age? A few thoughts... > -From the date her Primary Cell underwent Mitosis? > -From the date her/their Blastomeres were separated? > -From the date the embryos implanted in artificial placentas? > -From the date the foetuses could live without an artificial placenta? > -From the date she/they first showed 'awareness'? > -From the date a fully formed genetic construct came out of the tank > she'd been growing in for the last five years? > -From the level of intellectual development she has? (If she's a > Child Genius, do you declare her to be an 'Emancipated Minor'?) > -From the level of 'apparent physical development' (Can you say > 'Precocious Puberty'? No? Well how about 'Underaged Jail Bait'?) How about since the creation of man if you want to get into this? Tell me sir the age of Lilith, and I shall show you the age of Rei. > If Rei#1 WAS only 5 years old at her death, then either the Clones age > at a different rate to Humans, or else the Clones are of different > ages to each other, as Rei2 looked about 14 or 15 years old in the TV > series. The Clones were created at about the same age and continue to grow along side each other even though they appear to be mentally blank. Clones can do this! > No, I have another theory, & it's so convoluted, you could put a > tapeworm in it & call it an intestine! Except that I just gave you the answer and it's really straight forward. > But first, my errors... > > ****Where does it say, 'Gendo created Rei...' > > I'm sorry - I thought this was a reference from the 'Red Cross Book'? > I freely admit I may be wrong on this, but I've heard so many > discussions that use this point that I sort of accepted it as > 'Canon'. - If I'm wrong, I apologise. > > However, you have to admit, that the phrase does make the Commander of > NERV & the First Child look like Doctor Franken-Gendo & his > Creation... Hm... Perhaps I shouldn't have used that term... The > Doujinshi writers may do a 'Bride of Frankenstein' scenario... I would prefer you remained objective. > ****Occam's Razor... Where's Sweeny Todd when you need him? As for > me complicating EVA, well... Any theory complicates EVA, especially > if it tries to explain things to the satisfaction of a confused Fan... This is an excuse to quit. Not a rational theory to those questions we find hard to answer. > Still (Blushes in embarrassment) I should have worded what I said > differently in my original post... It's just that if Yui was the > Genius whose work was so VITAL to the creation of Evangelions, just > what DID her work entail? The creation of the Eva unit's. Exactly what you just said. > Could it be that Yui was involved in creating the absolutely vital > Neuro-feedback devices, that link the nervous systems of the EVA & > Pilot? That would be part of it. > If so, Yui would need a series of 'Human equivalent' type nervous > systems to experiment with... Since such things are NOT easy to come > by ethically, perhaps the creation of 'Guinea Pigs', suitable for the > task was a solution she took? She could use her OWN DNA to create the > Rei Clones, & then use them as Guinea Pigs, skirting around > Bio-Ethics, & all the snoopy paperwork involved with 'volunteers'. First of all, there is nothing to support this. Second that does not get you around the ethics and lastly, once again, ethics are not an issue with SEELE. > If Yui WAS involved in the creation of a Neuro-link, then that could > explain WHY she was involved in Piloting Unit 1. Yui may have been > too 'territorial' to let some mere 'College Graduate' pilot her Life's > Work. Then again, she might be the only one qualified enough to > provide 'real-time' critical analysis? All Ego aside, how many people > would have HER qualifications? And look no further than Ritsuko & the > MAGI for a working example of 'Genius on the spot, handling a > Crisis'... O_o Listen to yourself. Yui didn't work on one aspect of Eva, she provided the main thrust in it's research. She was the head of Project E at the time. > In this scenario, Yui may have accidentally created a greater > 'affinity' between herself & Unit 1, allowing for her total > absorption, rather than the partial absorption Asuka's mum went > through. That is, Yui unknowingly 'fine-tuned' Unit 1 to Yui's OWN > nervous system, with the results we now know as canon. This is assumes that their were clones before Yui's absorption which of course there were not as the clones were created after the event mostly likely as a result of the absorption. > However, one of the things about NGE, is the concept of > synchronisation, literally 'becoming one' with the EVA, feeling what > it feels, being able to influence the EVA's actions. The idea is not to become one but to become linked and control not influence the Eva's actions completely. The link may feel like you are becoming one but obviously you are not, unless it gets out of control apparently. I would love to finish this but I need to get to sleep! -- Kind regards Disaster Disaster's Fan Fiction - http://www.disfanfic.net DSE - For the Public - http://www.disfanfic.net/DSE JAE FAQ - http://www.evafaq.com Pen^3's JAE FAQ - http://faq.pen3.cjb.net Convention Reports - http://www.disfanfic.net/conventions