Ok...it's been a majorly long time since i posted to this group....do a 
google....5yrs?

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"Matthew Cline" <matt@nightrealms.com> wrote in message 
news:pan.2004.11.27.02.52.06.521792@nightrealms.com...
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> I've gone through the Google Group archives of japan.anime.evangelion
> looking for previous discussions on this topic, but I might have
> missed some things.  The following consists of both a recap of those
> discussions, and my own thoughts.
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> We know for sure that Unit 01 has a soul:
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> * Yui was absorbed by Unit 01 and never came back out.
> * When the dummy plug took over Unit 01 and killed the 13th angel, it
>  must have produced an AT field, and an AT field requires a soul.
> * If Yui's soul isn't in Unit 01, it would be in the after life, and
>  Gendo would have committed suicide to join her.

that last point i think is wrong. Gendo was never suicidal, just maniacal. 
He believes he's elevating the ENTIRE human race to immortality, and not 
destroying it.

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> For Unit 02, some have suggested that it doesn't contain Kyoko's
> (Asuka's mother's) actual soul, but merely an "imprint" of her soul.
> If this is true, perhaps Unit 00 only has an imprint as well, meaning
> only Unit 01 has a true soul. This has a certain appeal for me.  On
> several occasions Unit 01 has gone berserk with no power supply, in
> order to save Shinji. If Unit 00 had a true soul, then when it went
> berserk and tried to kill whomever on the observation deck, why didn't
> it continue after the backup power went out? And if Unit 02 contains
> Kyoko's actual soul, why didn't it do anything when Asuka was being
> mind raped by the 15th angel?  Additional, Kyoko died while outside of
> Unit 02.

Ok, i've read a heap of shit on the net about the whole soul thing with the 
evas, and i believe that all eva's have a core containing the soul of 
someone important to the pilot. If you watch EoE, you see that Asuka finaly 
makes contact with the eva and calls her "Momma"

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> However, there is indication that Yui *intended* to be absorbed by
> Unit 01. If an soul imprint would do, why would Yui want to be
> absorbed?  If Unit 02 does contain the actual soul of Kyoko, then
> there's the problem of how it got there when she died while outside of
> it.  Others have suggested that the accident which drove Kyoko insane
> either entirely absorbed her soul, or partial absorbed it, and when
> she died the part of her soul left in her body joined with the part in
> the Eva.  A possibility that I haven't seen considered is that, for a
> certain amount of time after death, the soul remains with the body; in
> a previous discussion on this group, it was noted that in EoE,
> Misato's body turned to LCL even after she was dead.  In this
> scenario, Kyoko's body was placed in the entry plug and Unit 02
> powered up, and with the dead body only having a very weak hold on the
> soul, it was absorbed by the Eva with no need for a 400% sync ratio.

Misato didnt actually die instantly. She hovered near death, but didnt 
actually cross over. Thats how she was able to convert to LCL, as LCL is 
merely the living body without the souls AT field.

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> Now, onto Unit 00.  Some have suggested that the soul in Unit 00 is
> that of Naoko Akagi, Ritsuko's mother.  Support for this theory:
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> * When Unit 00 first goes berserk, it appears to attempt an attack on
>  Gendo, who called her a useless hag.
> * When Unit 00 goes berserk a second time, it appears to attempt an
>  attack on Rei, who told Naoko of Gendo's opinion, and who is also a
>  clone of Yui, Gendo's true love.
> * Through the series and movie, we are only aware of three NERV/Gehirn
>  women who were mothers and who died/disappeared, and Units 01 and 02
>  account for two of them; Naoko is the only one left for Unit 00.
>
> Arguments against this theory:
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> * Ritsuko is *sure* that Unit 00 was trying to kill her, and it's
>  unlikely that Unit 00 could have become aware that Ritsuko was
>  having sex with Gendo (the only conceivable reason for Naoko wanting
>  to kill Ritsuko).

WHy not, if it's possible for a pilot to tap into the conciousness of the 
eva, its should be possible the other way around.


> * Naoko never had anything to do with Unit 00, being entirely a computer
>  scientist who's job was making the MAGI.

Which means she was aware of pretty much everything going on in GEHIRN, and 
probably helped to create rudimentary uplinks to the evas, which Ritsuko 
then finiished when she joing.

> * Naoko died outside of Unit 00.

I've seen somone fall 10 stories and live to tell the tale...we dont 
actually get told she's dead.

> * The most important part of Eva sync-ing is the A^10 nerve, which is
>  related to parent/child feelings.  However, there are no parent/child
>  feelings between Naoko and Rei; indeed, Naoko would have reasons to
>  resent being "piloted" by Rei.

But in the end of the movie, the magi, chose gendo over ritsuko, which part? 
the part that was her woman. (ie sex)....thus if she would chose lover over 
daughter, she may also choose to accept rei for gendo.

> * "Unit Zero and Unit One's personal data patterns, are almost identical",
>  plus when Unit 00 was trying to invade Shinji's mind, he though it felt
>  like Rei.

No. He said  "IT's Rei's" Meaning that the EVA didnt like the fact that 
there seemed to be an invader. Flooding is nerve connections with memories, 
may have been a way to remove the intrued.er and it worked.

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> I think that most of the objections can be dealt with if we assume
> that the soul sticks around with the body for a while after death, and
> Ritsuko was the one to place her mother's dead body in Unit 00 so
> Kyoko's soul could become it's core.  If Ritsuko was the only one with
> the know-how to "upload" Kyoko's soul into Unit 00, then Kyoko would
> know that it was her daughter that trapped her in this bio-mechanical
> monstrosity, providing plenty of reason for her wanting to kill
> Ritsuko.  As for the A^10 nerve, Kaoru says that Rei is the same as he
> is, and Kaoru can sync with any Eva, without the need for a
> mother/child relationship; I assume that Rei could do the same.
>
> While there is no evidence for this, there's also no evidence on how
> Kyoko's soul got into Unit 02.  However, this still leaves the problem
> of Units 00 and 01 having nearly identical personal data patterns, and
> of Shinji perceiving the intruding mind to be like Rei.
>
> Another theory is that it is Rei's soul which is in Unit 00.  This
> would explain Units 00 and 01 having nearly identical personal data
> patterns, since Rei's DNA comes from Yui (the soul of Unit 01) and
> Lilith (who's flesh makes up Unit 01's body).  It would also explain
> why Shinji thought the intruding mind was Rei.  However, it has the
> large problem of Rei's soul *also* being in the body of the
> blue-haired, red-eyed teenager who goes to junior-high with Shinji and
> Asuka.  Several solutions to this difficulty:
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> 1) The different Reis have noticeably different personalities.  During
>   the first contact or sync test Rei II underwent, the dormant Rei I
>   personality sloughed off her, taking a part of Rei II's soul with
>   her.  Rei I, being only 8 years old, and in a berserker state,
>   identifies Ritsuko with the one who killed her (Naoko) and tries
>   to attack her.
>
They do have differant personalitys, but this is probably due more to the 
fact that 14yr old children do not just spring forth with knowledge. Imagine 
waking up one morning with 14yrs of memories, but no actual memory of doing 
it....

> 2) Rei, having the soul of Lilith (which is presumably rather different
>   than ordinary souls) sloughs off a bit of her soul each time she
>   moves to a new body, the bit left behind clinging to the corpse of the
>   old body.  Gendo or Ritsuko placed Rei I's corpse in Unit 00 and had
>   that soul-sliver absorbed.  Rei I attacks Ritsuko for the reason given
>   above.

Rei doesnt have the soul of lillith. As you can see, lillith is alive.

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> 3) Rei I is revived via CPR, and is animated either by the soul-sliver as
>   described above, or Rei's soul is split between the bodies of Rei I and
>   Rei II.  The alive Rei I is placed in Unit 00 by Ritsuko, who then
>   somehow forces the Eva to absorb Rei I.  Even though she's only 8 years
>   old, Rei I knows that the person who placed her in Unit 00 was Ritsuko,
>   so she knows the person who trapped her in Unit 00 for the last 7
>   years is Ritsuko, giving her plenty of reason to want to get revenge on
>   the doctor.

Rei I was not revived. I think the best thing i can think of, is that when a 
rei dies, the soul immediatly departs and is somehow captured by an empty 
rei, swimming in the lcl....
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> So, what do you all think?
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