necoandjeff wrote:
> Edward Mills wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 05:25:42 GMT, necoandjeff wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Danny Wilde wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Edward Mills" <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1rc9b4yw1ymyz$.l5fs7xp1d5xl.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:27:40 +0900, Eric Takabayashi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Back in 1987, it was TV and videos which first taught me
>>>>>>conversational Japanese.
>>>>>
>>>>>You mean like the old guy that does the voiceovers for those TBS
>>>>>retardathons? You know the guy who talks like a mix between an old
>>>>>woman having a massive orgasm and a high school girl trying to
>>>>>sound like a five year old girl?
>>>>
>>>>I don't know why people here want to insult Japanese TV so much and
>>>>say how stupid the people on Japanese TV are.
>>>
>>>It's a fairly typical phenomenon among the not-so-deep thinkers
>>>among us, actually. When in your own country, things are just stupid
>>>and taken for granted, but when you are in Japan and you see
>>>something stupid, rather than recall the fact that there are quite
>>>likely things that are just as stupid back in your home country, it
>>>becomes "that stupid Japanese [thing]," which is somehow unique to
>>>the Japanese.
>>
>>I would strongly urge you to consider the logic you used to arrive at
>>this conclusion, because it is highly flawed.
>>
>>hint: Just because Martians are stupid doesn't mean that Earthlings
>>aren't stupid.
> 
> 
> My conclusion is based on years of observation, not logical reasoning. If
> people spoke precisely, I would agree with you completely. Unfortunately,
> when many people make observations about things in Japan they are
> subconsciously processing them as observations about the Japanese in a way
> they do not when making observations about things at home. They hear
> Hamasaki Ayumi sing, one of the most popular performers in Japan, and rather
> than conclude that the most popular perfomer in Japan sucks, they expand
> their conclusion to Japanese music sucks, or Japanese taste in music sucks,
> notwithstanding the fact that Brittney Spears is one of the most popular
> performers in the U.S., and sucks just as badly.
> 
> Jeff
> 

I would clearly say that both Japanese music and American music 
sucks.