Path: news.ccsf.jp!shiino.jp!mmcatv.co.jp!jpix!newsfeed2.kddnet.ad.jp!newsfeed2.kddnet.ad.jp!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!w9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Don Stockbauer Newsgroups: fj.kanji,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: One day, an AI will decide to kill all humans!!! Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <9a82d376-2b27-4834-a75c-d86ba467064d@m24g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <20090327144301.471$up@newsreader.com> <3186377a-6d44-4f66-95df-e25404ad004b@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.90.202.233 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1238297952 9349 127.0.0.1 (29 Mar 2009 03:39:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: w9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.90.202.233; posting-account=iBgNeAoAAADRhzuSC4Ai7MUeMmxtwlM7 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.7) Gecko/2009021910 Firefox/3.0.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: news.ccsf.jp fj.kanji:1017 On Mar 28, 3:01=A0pm, "rick++" wrote: > On Mar 27, 12:42 pm, c...@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote: > > > > > "rick++" wrote: > > > I wonder if "killer robot planes" used by the > > > United States in middle east wars count. > > > People in these countries claim its a form > > > of terrorism to have planes come "out of the blue" > > > and bomb them. =A0Countrer-reports like a recent > > > 60 Minutes story says the military goes through > > > several level of decision before allowing a kill. > > > They take colalteral damage of killing civilians > > > seriously. > > > Not really. =A0All the UAVs are remotely operated by humans currently s= o it's > > no different than having a solder pointing a gun and pulling the trigge= r or > > the air force dropping bombs. > > None the less, it's not yet an AI issue. =A0However, once they have the > > decisions made by some AI technology on who to kill and who not to kill= , > > then we will have reached the point of having to fear the AIs. > > A lot of of the signal collection and discrimination is delegated to > automated > sensors in orbit or drones. =A0And the data-mining is routinely blackbox > computing. > Agreed, a human intervenes in the decision to send the final bomb or > bullet, > although the bomb or bullet is then fully computerized. > > Just becasue the "A.I." isnt contained in a two-meter humanoid shell, > doesnt mean > that substantial parts of the system are highly computerized and > automated. > > So when the bomb hits the wrong target, how much of the decision was > due to > humans and how much was computer-aided? =A0Its not black and white > anymore. The answer is simple: "And then Isan, the cooking monk, tipped over the urn with his foot and became the chief head dude of the monastery."