John W. wrote:
> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowenNOSPAM@myfastmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<bel1pq$6erpl$1@ID-105084.news.uni-berlin.de>...
>> John W. wrote:
>>> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowenNOSPAM@myfastmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:<bei31q$5dbad$1@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de>...
>>>> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33485
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>
>> Nope, but feel free to tell us how much teachers should make and
>> what the
>> indicators are that tell us that they are underpaid.
>>
> I think teachers should get paid enough to allow them to buy a home in
> the area where they teach.

Now this is just outlandish. Why should this standard not apply to every
other occupation?

> Sounds simple, but it doesn't always work
> that way.

No, it sounds idiotic.

> Rarely do teachers get fair living wage increases.

What a fair living wage increase?

> Someone
> making $40,000 a year in East Tennessee can live nicely (if they have
> a dual income family); but that's also the salary teachers made near
> where I lived in Berkeley, barely enough to give any hope of ever
> buying a house.

Oh well. The last I check, become a teacher was a voluntary choice, even
near where you live in Berkeley, I suspect.

>>> "Union officials note while teachers may work shorter job hours,
>>> they
>>> do a lot of work outside the classroom, such as grading papers,
>>> which
>>> is not compensated."
>>
>> Union officials note lots of silly things, like the very silly note
>> they
>> make above. I wonder if they noted that teachers are not the only
>> profession
>> in the world that brings their work home. Teachers, like many other
>> workers,
>> are not paid based on performance. I don't know if you have ever
>> been a
>> salaried worker, but they generally get paid the same regardless of
>> how much
>> they work. I presume that you have at least worked hourly jobs
>> before, so
>> you must know that one generally gets paid the same per hour whether
>> one
>> flips 40 burgers in that hour or 80.
>>
>> I hasten to add that grading papers can be done during work hours.
>> Teachers
>> are not teaching in the classroom every minute they are in the school
>> building. Once this fact is considered, the hourly wage of a teacher
>> jumps
>> up even further. I would be very surprised to learn that the average
>> teacher's classroom time, grading of papers, lesson planning et
>> cetera add
>> up to over 40 hours a week.
>>
> My friend is a school teacher.

Splendid. So do I. (public school in Detroit)

> Now, granted he works in a small
> private school (and the article correctly notes his lower salary
> compared to public schools), but his schedule is fairly routine. His
> day starts at 7:30 and lasts until 4:00, well over eight hours.

I suppose if 8.5 hours is "well over" eight. He doesn't eat lunch?

> He
> teaches six classes in the high school (the school has seven), mostly
> different levels of English.

How long are the periods?

> His one free class period is often used
> not for grading, but for meeting with the school head, calling on
> parents, taking care of the class, etc. He also has lunchroom duty in
> the morning (thus the early hours) and does class prep before school
> (current events stuff for his classes). Now, without even grading a
> paper or planning a lesson he's got in eight hours; add at least 30
> minutes per paper needing graded (more or less depending on the
> paper), mid term reports, end of terms reports, parent teacher
> conferences, etc. and it comes out to well over eight hours. Oh, and,
> like most teachers, he has to buy many of his supplies with his own
> money. And, while it's not the standard, he also coaches volleyball
> and tennis (used to coach basketball, but it was just too much).

Wow. The person in you sample of one sure is busy. It's lucky for me that
the friend who composes my sample of one cancels him out.

-- 
Kevin Gowen
"It hurts when my 8-year-old daughter wants to go to the movies or even
have a meal at McDonald's and I have to say, 'No, Mommy can't afford
it.' If I had gotten a tax cut, I would spend it on the mountain of
bills that face me. Like millions of other working people, I would have
put that money right back into the economy."
- Margaret Gaffin, who does not understand that to be eligible for a
tax cut, one must pay taxes