That's a good theory..

I think I remember that the Lance of Longenus had to do with the creation of
Unit 1..  And just whose blood was last on the tip of that spear?
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> > So after having watched all of Eva and the movies, I'm still kind of
hazy
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> > what SEELE's goals were. Obviously Gendou was using NERV to achieve
human
> > instrumentality and be reunited with Yui, but SEELE seemed to want ..
> Third
> > Impact which was the same thing? Different somehow? A friend of mine
after
> > watching EoE postulated that they were trying to fulfill prophecy of the
> > dead sea scrolls, and purge humanity to get a 'fresh start', and
recreate
> > god in Unit-01 (Who had to stand-in for Adam).
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> > Or something. Any thoughts?
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> Ok everyone else is taking their shot, so I'll take mine.  I've just
started
> re-watching the whole series for the first time (subbed this time first
time
> was dubbed) so bear with me if I've missed some things.
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> SEELE and Gendo don't really want the same thing.  They seek two different
> things but the human instrumentality project is the common means to the
two
> different ends.
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> Gendo seeks instrumentality to be reunited with Yui, that one's
> straightforward.  It is also a plus (but not his goal) that he then gets
to
> exist in a world without the pain of separation with the rest of the
world.
> Given his reaction to losing Yui, his fear of losing people is even
stronger
> than that of Shinji.   So this is a good thing for him, but it wasn't his
> primary goal.
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> SEELE seeks human instrumentality because they have the hopes that many
> religious believers do.  They seek the perfect world of unity with the
> creator.   Essentially one-ness with god.  Which actually makes their goal
a
> somewhat noble one, they are seeking something which will lead all human
> beings being one with god not just their selves.
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> Now where things get confusing to me is how SEELE through NERV have
> controlled third impact and prevented the angels from being the creatures
> that carry on and put humans in the place of continuation.
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> What do we know?  Third impact ( or it's surrogate event if you want to
> consider the angel only version as the true third impact ) occurs after
Adam
> ( via Gendo's arm that Rei stole ) are reunited.  Meanwhile the MP EVA's (
> which contains clones on Kaoru in the dummy plugs ) form the tree of life
> using EVA-01 in place of Adam ( since EVA-01 is a clone of Adam, but the
> trick is it also contains one of the Lilim, Shinji ).  The Lace of
Longinus
> is returned and pierces the core of EVA-01.  At which point Fuyutsuki
> comments "The Fruit of Life is held by the Angels.  The Fruit of Wisdom is
> held by man.  Eva Unit 01 now posses them both, and, therefor becomes
God."
> We know from the comments from SEELE that Shinji's ego ( presumably the
> portion of the mind that contains the concept of self and singularity )
must
> be destroyed.  Which if Shinji had accepted human instrumentality third
> impact ( or retribution as SEELE called it ) would have happened.  And at
> that point all of humanity we be one with one another, and presumably god.
> And we would exist in what many people would call an afterlife.  A life
> without pain, in the presence ( or as part of in this case ) the creator.
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> But how would third impact have had to occur for the angels to continue on
> in our place?  We know the angels were after Adam but they didn't seem to
> know of Lilith, so her role becomes suspect as to if it was essential for
> third impact.  We know that Adam ( EVA-01 ) + Lilith ( Rei ) + Tabris ( MP
> Dummy plugs ) + Humanity ( Shinji ) = God, but which were truly required?
> And is there any significance to the true form of the MP EVA's being that
of
> Rei/Lilith?  We know EVA-01 were crated from Adam, were the MP EVA's
created
> from Lilith, and if so is that part of the equation?  If the necessary
> ingredients ( for God ) are life and wisdom where would the wisdom have
come
> from for third impact without human instrumentality?  Or do the
ingredients
> stay the same and just how they are obtained change?
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> The other thing that bothered me a bit after watching EoE the first time
is
> this.  If third retribution/impact does lead to one-ness with the creator,
> the did Shinji do the right thing?  I assume Anno would say yes, but many
> people of faith throughout the world would say no, I believe.  Shinji
> essentially rejects God, heaven and the afterlife in preference for the
> separation of what he knows as life.  What many have sought for so long
> Shinji on his own rejects, and rejects it not only for himself but for all
> mankind.
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> Any comments?
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