Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!komachi.sp.cs.cmu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail From: "DBM" Newsgroups: japan.anime.evangelion Subject: Re: Some Basic Questions Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:30:53 +1000 Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 203 Message-ID: References: <_XeY8.2279$Cq.111555@ozemail.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: d-239-19.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1026707536 15183 203.101.239.19 (15 Jul 2002 04:32:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jul 2002 04:32:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org japan.anime.evangelion:913 Dear Mr. Wignall, I realise it was late when I posted my message, so I will point out what I SAID in my original message, as well as make a quick correction... Quote... Official illustrations of Rei#2 have her drawn with the 6 heads tall format, & Chibi Rei is about a head, a head & a 1/4 (Rei#2 head sizes) shorter compared to Gendo's Torso. Using the info above I checked official illustrations, & standard Paediatric Growth Charts. From my calculations, I estimate that Rei#1's body was too big for a five year old, & is closer to that of child in the 9-10 year age range. End Quote... Note I said "a head", followed by "a head & a 1/4" - I think I may have then confused you with the comment in brackets of '(Rei#2 head sizes)" I did NOT say 2 head sizes, & I apologise if my wording was confusing, I SHOULD have said, 'a head', OR 'head & a 1/4'. By your OWN research, you confirm my observation that a character 1 head shorter than Rei-2 in a plugsuit matches the height of a 10-year old child. I allowed the extra 1/4 due to difficulties in measuring, as a maximum allowable error margin. If you conduct proportional analysis of the image of Rei-1 standing beside Gendo, to the image of Rei-2 standing beside Gendo, you will find my calculations to be near enough to what I have stated. Now the CORRECTION that another pointed out I should make! When I made the comment 'Chibi-Rei', I was referring to the Rei first seen standing beside Gendo when Naoko & Ritsuko meet Rei-1 for the first time. As was since pointed out to me, the term 'Chibi-Rei', while actually meaning 'little-Rei', is more commonly applied to the 'child' Rei seen in the train car sequences & in people's minds. I accept I made another error in wording, I apologise. However, my error reminds me that I should point out that Shinji himself is drawn at several different stages in 'childhood', as a baby at his mother's breast, as the 'toddler' unwittingly waving 'bye-bye' to his mother, as the crying child deserted by his father, & as the 'Chibi-Shinji' on the trains, & in people's minds. Sorry, but I haven't conducted any sort of in-depth image analysis of the 'train' version of Chibi-Rei, but *IF* memory serves me correctly, she IS drawn in a more childish fashion. I will concede that the 'Chibi-Rei' on the Trains, & in people's minds may look more childlike than Rei-1 does when first seen with Gendo, & may actually be of a smaller size than Rei-1 was when first seen with Gendo. Whether the drawing of the 'train' version is more 'childish' looking, or for that matter, smaller in stature, is not something I feel confident enough to comment on at this time. However, *IF* the 'train' version of Chibi-Rei *IS* drawn as smaller or more childish looking than when Rei-1 is first seen with Gendo, would that have any sort of significance, other than to indicate that Rei-1 was once a person of that height/appearance, or for that matter, just an attempt by Gainax to cash in on readily creatable 'public sympathy' for a character drawn as a child? Most of my theorising has been over plot development points that could be used in a Fan fiction I'm writing. Admittedly, it IS an 'Alternate Universe' one, but one that I am trying to build a 'consistent' plot development throughout, a plot development that while it may NOT be to 'exact canon' specifications, would still explain several of the mysteries of the show to my satisfaction. Or, at least explain things from the point of view of someone who realises that since he is NOT Japanese, he will probably never 'get' all the subtle in-jokes & cultural references that NGE is based on. Things like 'what's in a name', especially about characters that can be read as Yui, & how they are used for Genetic Engineering terms. Things that many Japanese would KNOW at a subconscious level. Things like Rei's white swimsuit being a favourite 'icon' for cheesecake photographs of young teenage models - not that I intimate that this has ANYTHING to do with her popularity. However, it DOES make you wonder if Rei was 'pre-packaged' for certain sections of the consumer market, especially given the 'figures' Rei-2 & Rei-3 were drawn with. One thing that bothers me about the AT Fields in Terminal Dogma when Kaworu came a-knocking... If Lillith's Soul generates her AT Field, then it appears to be in two places at once - one generated by the Lillith construct, the other generated by Rei-3. (Refer previous post for a 'blow-by-blow' accounting, & for a 'split-soul' theory based on actual religious teachings that may be of some significance.) As is the fact that despite not 'having a soul', the embryonic Adam is still 'alive', & regenerating itself. As apparently, was Lillith - In one of the movies (not sure which), Rei removes the Lance from Lillith, & Lillith instantly regenerates her missing legs. Since Lillith already had so many small legs sticking out of her torso, this raises the question, was the Lance some sort of 'paralytic agent' that prevented Lillith from regenerating? One of the things I have been interested in finding out, is the actual material construction of the Angels & etc - for despite Lillith being Humanity's progenitor, no human is her size, & it may appear, no human is composed of exactly the same materials she is. No Human has the capacity to generate the powerful AT field that Lillith & the Angels do, & no human has an S2 organ. Physics also come into things, with the questions raised by potential differences in materials used as building blocks for Humanity. As various religious texts state, Humanity was made from dust/soil. Meaning that whatever the force BEHIND our creation, we are made of THIS world's materials. As proof? All of the materials in a Human's body are found on Earth, even surprise, , such 'essential' ingredients as Strontium. Strontium is used in the immune system, (if memory serves), & it is for THIS reason, that a 'variation' or 'isotope' of the element is so dangerous to Humans. Strontium 90 is the unstable radioactive isotope of Strontium that is present in A-Bomb fallout. Because chemically, it is almost exactly the same as 'normal' Strontium, it can be assimilated into the body, & cause damage to any cell when it 'decays' & throws off radiation. It doesn't stop there. Chemical compounds may have their atoms arranged in different orders (isomers) that can cause havoc - one isomer may be neutral, the other may be toxic. When this happens to a person's DNA, it may herald the creation of a cancer. Matter is affected by the physics involved in its creation, & in the environment it finds itself. For example, Hydrogen is a gas at room temperature, but on Jupiter, Hydrogen may be so condensed & pressurised in Jupiter's planetary core that the element has 'metallic' properties. Then again, we speak of 'absolute zero', a point at which atomic activity stops. Modern science now theorises the existence of a set of physics BEYOND 'absolute Zero'. Have you ever put your hand in boiling water? If you did you would always scald yourself, right? Wrong. There are circumstances under which water will boil at temperatures so low that you CANNOT be scalded by it. It is a little matter of atmospheric pressure - but don't take my word for it, just ask any Mountaineer - THEY can tell you of water that boils yet is only luke-warm. When Ritsuko tries to analyse the Angels, she keeps getting an 'unable to analyse' error, indicating that the Angels contain compounds, elements, isomers or isotopes that are unknown, and/or un-analysable by her equipment. This indicates that the materials are NOT of this world, or at least, if they are of this world, are so rare as to be unknown & thus un-analysable to the Future Science & Super Computers of 2015. Which, judging by the existence of the technology behind the MAGI, would far exceed our own. One item of great concern, is the Angel's 'power core', the S2 organ that Shinji's EVA ate. SEELE was somewhat upset about that little matter, & the question arises, were the S2 power organs deliberately left out of the EVA's for safety reasons? Or, was the creation of the S2 power organ too 'complex' at the time of creation of the EVA's? Then again, there is another explanation... NERV obtained portions of an S2 power organ when Shinji fought the 'whip-lash' Angel. Question, did Shinji unwittingly supply NERV with more than a mere 'biological sample', but perhaps with an organ containing rare or non-terrestrial (& thus non-analysable) materials? Materials that were finally available in enough quantity to ALLOW the creation of NERV's own S2 organ, the one that absorbed/blew up the American branch? Adolf Hitler was trying to build an Atomic Bomb using Heavy water, or H2O where the Hydrogen atoms were an 'isotope' of hydrogen known as deuterium. Recently, there was a hubbub about 'cold fusion', where atoms underwent nuclear fusion in a normal lab, without the need for the forces found in the cores of stars or hydrogen bombs. Fact - Many modern earphones make use of 'rare-earth magnets' to deliver high-fidelity sound. Something UNAVAILABLE before the alloy technology became cheap enough & common enough. I have made comments about 'non-terrestrial' materials, particularly since Ritsuko with all her equipment COULDN'T analyse some of the materials found in Angels. Shinji's EVA ate the S2 power core of an Angel, supposedly 'assimilating it' as the EVA did the arm it tore off the Angel... Hang about? Tore OFF the Angel? Either Unit 1 changed the material of the Angel's arm during assimilation, or else Unit 1, the 'Clone' of Lillith & the Angels are created of the SAME material. The same materials that Ritsuko CANNOT analyse! Yours, dbmacpherson@INHIBITIONSuq.net.au Remove INHIBITIONS to reply.