Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!snewsf0.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!not-for-mail From: "DBM" Newsgroups: japan.anime.evangelion Subject: Some Basic Questions Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 00:52:15 +1000 Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 145 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: d-239-31.stlucia.uq.net.au X-Trace: bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au 1026485640 7364 203.101.239.31 (12 Jul 2002 14:54:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@uq.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 2002 14:54:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org japan.anime.evangelion:829 G'Day All! (And yes, Aussies still use this greeting on a regular basis, although Tourists who are unlucky enough to only ever visit the 'Little Americas' of our Main Cities may not hear it... Hey, the City Folk even named a sports club 'Broncos', rather than 'Brumbies'...) Thanks for going over the Theories I had, & for pointing out counter arguments to them, going from canon. Could you please answer a couple of other nagging questions I've got? # # # #1- when we first see Rei#1 in the TV series (episode 21), she is with Gendo, & the top of her head is about the bottom of where Gendo's belt would be. Official art of Rei#2 (or Rei#3) in her plugsuit has her almost as tall as Gendo's shoulder. Life-size models of Rei in her plugsuit quote her as being 157-160 cm tall. Official illustrations of Rei#2 have her drawn with the 6 heads tall format, & Chibi Rei is about a head, a head & a 1/4 (Rei#2 head sizes) shorter compared to Gendo's Torso. Using the info above I checked official illustrations, & standard Pediatric Growth Charts. From my calculations, I estimate that Rei#1's body was too big for a five year old, & is closer to that of child in the 9-10 year age range. MUCH closer! If as others have said, Rei#1 was only 5 years old when she died, did that refer to the actual age in years of her (Rei Clone) body's existence, rather than its (Rei Clone's) apparent physical development, & also of the number of years in which her mind (Rei's mind, NOT Lillith's Soul) actually had time in which to grow & develop into the child Rei#1 was? Admittedly, Gendo IS one the two tallest of the Main Cast, with only Fuyutsuki coming close to him (then Kaji), so any child would look shorter in comparison to Gendo than when compared to other people... # # # #2- when Shinji is rebuilt by Unit 1 (NOT by Ritsuko), it happens after his entry plug disgorges his plugsuit & the LCL that is supposed to contain him. We hear a noise & see that a naked Shinji is lying in a pool of liquid on the catwalk some distance from Misato, & just below the 'core' of the EVA. However, we also notice that the catwalk is DRY between Shinj's pool, & where Misato is. Since this indicates that Shinji was NOT rebuilt from the contents of the Entry plug, but from materials obtained from elsewhere in the EVA, this raises a serious question. If EVA's are Clones of Angels (Kaworu calls Unit2 'Adam's Dark Shadow', meaning it doesn't have the Light of Adam's Soul in it), & if Angels are NOT made of normal terrestrial material, it follows that EVA's are also NOT made of normal matter. If that is so, is Shinji now made of Angel material like the Eva's are? Remembering of course, that the LCL used in the Plugs is supposed to be material from 'Lillith' down in the basement to start with. If so, is this proof that the information in the Human Genome can be 'recreated' using Angel material? # # # #3- Is Ritsuko really such an authority on EVA's? Can she be wrong about the important matters? After all, Ritsuko DID say 'That's not possible' when Unit 1 moves on its own to project Shinji. I ask, because it was pointed out that Ritsuko WAS an authority on EVA's, especially Unit 0's motives when going berserk. If this is so, then Ritsuko's denial of the Tank Clones being Human, but just 'things with human form', would mean that Rei#2 is NOT human, but merely looks like one. # # # #4- When Shinji was absorbed, his Mind/Soul still existed as 'Shinji', even though his body did not. Since in the NGE world a 'person' can exist separate to their body, or even WITHOUT a body, does that mean a person can be created without the need for a corresponding body? What about a fictitious character that a series of perople will impersonate? # # # #5- A birthday is the day on which you celebrate being born. Since all REAL humans are gestated to parturition (birth) within the wombs of their mothers, we all have birthdays, even if the person is removed from the womb by a Caesarean or other medical operation. However, if you were never IN a womb, but only in some sort of glorified Petri Dish, are you still 'born' when you are removed? Or are you merely 'decanted', like microbes & fungal cultures? A human 'Birth' (of whatever type) involves a baby leaving from within another Human's body. But, could a child that had never been inside a person's body BE considered to be 'born'? If a person has not been 'Born', how could they then have a 'birthday', a day on which they celebrate an event they never qualified for? # # # #6 - When you prepare a cake for a party, you usually make it from scratch, using raw materials. However, when you 'prepare' a car for a journey, you check the tires, the oil level, water in the radiator etc, rather than 'make' or assemble the car from scratch. What did the 'preparation' of Clones in Terminal Dogma really entail? And is what we've read in the English Translations of EVA a true & literal translation? Or is it just 'close enough'? Could it be that translation has 'dulled' the truth of the story, like what happened with so many other Anime, like 'Card Captors'? How would we know if errors/mistranslations/'story fade' has occured? # # # #7- I noticed in a previous post that information & dialogue from the 'Director's Cuts' of the TV series was used to counter the points & theories I raised. Do you also use material from the Manga version of NGE to further refine your theories & 'world view' of NGE, or do you prefer to only use the various TV & Film sources? I ask, because in Japan, different storylines are often used in the conversion from Anime to Manga & vice versa. Yours, dbmacpherson@INHIBITIONSuq.net.au Remoce INHIBITIONS to reply.