"Curt Fischer" <crf3@po.cwru.edu> wrote in message
news:3F133AE3.7F159E51@po.cwru.edu...
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>
> George wrote:
> >
> > "Kevin Gowen" <kgowenNOSPAM@myfastmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ben9fc$79he3$1@ID-105084.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Jason Cormier wrote:
> > > > On 7/10/03 20:52, in article
> > > > bel1pq$6erpl$1@ID-105084.news.uni-berlin.de, "Kevin Gowen"
> > > > <kgowenNOSPAM@myfastmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I hasten to add that grading papers can be done during work hours.
> > > >
> > > > A teacher's job is not only teaching classes and grading papers.
> > > > There are other things that must also be done during work hours, or
> > > > outside of them.
> >
> > Sorry to lump multiple thoughts in one post. I am an engineer and I have
> > family members who are teachers.
> >
> > As far as work hours there is no comparison. If you work as an engineer
10
> > hour minimun days are common and it is not unusual to work on Saturdays.
>
> That's funny.  When I worked at as a microelectronics process engineer,
> ten hour minimum days were uncommon and it was unusual to work on
> Saturdays.

It is pretty much the norm to run with a "lean" staff. Lay off a third of
the workforce and have the remaining staff also do that work. There are no
such demands on teachers.


> > And
> > it is very usual to take work home.
>
> Where I worked it was against company policy to take most kinds of work
> home.

Understand, I have worked in situations with secrecy requirements but I
think most positions are not locked down in that fashion.
>
> >Most teachers do grading etc during
> > study periods. In my state if a teacher is involved with an outside
school
> > activity they get a minimum of $100 for the first 3 hours for their
time.
>
> For their first 3 hrs in a week?  Great.  Try finding a teacher who
> spends only 3 hr/week on extracurriculars.

Sorry, I omitted units. They get $100 for the first 3 hours of an event. If
an event is longer than 3 hours (bus trip etc) there is additional
compensation. If they were at 4 lets say 2 hour events in a week they would
get $400 additional pay.


> > Teaching can not be beat for a job guarantee. It is almost impossible to
> > fire a teacher and certainly not because of bad performance. In the
private
> > sector it is not unusual to be out of a job because of commercial
> > considerations.
>
> This part I agree more with.  When I was in high school we had one
> teacher who wound up in a torid affair with a very beautiful, and very
> 17, student of his.  She was named Kreis.  Shortly after it became
> common to walk past this guy in the hallway and say "Hey, Mr. X, do you
> need an iron?  'Cause you got a Kreis in your pants...", he got fired.
>
> Later in the local papers it became apparent that the police and the
> school had known about his affair for some months.  But it was not until
> it became common knowledge among the student body that they had to fire
> him.
>
> > If you are a teacher and decide things are too stressful you can take a
one
> > year sabbatical at 1/2 pay. I am not aware of another job where that is
> > possible.
> >
> > My family members readily admit they have a great job in private but
cannot
> > say so in public because union members must stand up for the cause.  In
my
> > opinion someone who is a union member is not a professional.
>
> > My brother-in-law just retired at age 55. His pension will be the same
as
> > his full salary and he will also keep the ultra deluxe health insurance
plan
> > at no cost to him.
> >
> > Teachers do not have a bad deal...
>
> True, but your black-and-white comparison to engineers was pretty
> flawed.  Try not to use so many absolutes.
>
> --
> Curt Fischer