"necoandjeff" <spam@schrepfer.com> wrote in message
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> "Musashi" <Miyamoto@Hosokawa.co.jp> wrote in message
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> > "necoandjeff" <spam@schrepfer.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Musashi" <Miyamoto@Hosokawa.co.jp> wrote in message
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> > > > "Paul Blay" <ranma@saotome.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > > > > "（＠＾▽＾＠）" wrote ...
> > > > > > 何でjapanなのに英語が多いのだろう？
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.google.com/groups?threadm=ch2osh%24anu%241%40taurus.stellar.co.jp
> > > > >
> > > > > によると「外国人の日本での生活に関する話題」が話題です。
> > > > >
> > > > > 外国人といえば、英語ですね。
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > なぜ外国人なら英語と決まってるのですか？
> > > > putain fait chier, bordel!
> > >
> > > Nice mouth you have there.
> > >
> > > Do you wish to compare the number of people in the world who can
> > communicate
> > > in French against the number of people in the world who can
communicate
> in
> > > English? What languages do you use to communicate with people here in
> slj?
> > I
> > > can understand (and even sympathize with) your dislike of the fact
that
> > > English has become the de facto lingua franca of the world, but you
> cannot
> > > change reality my friend.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> >
> > Chill out Jeff.
> > My comment was the relationship between "gaikokujin" and "English".
> > No one can deny that in practice English is the defacto Global language.
> > But there are people who disagree, and feel that French, Spanish should
> > be the "global language".
> > At the expense of being redundant, 外国人 includes plenty of people
> > from African and South American countries, who do not speak English.
> > So...perhaps the gaikokujin in the definition of this NG ought to be
> > corrected.
>
> Listen, nobody bristles more than me at the typical Japanese in Japan who
> approaches the typical gaijin, makes a gigantic assumption and promptly
> launches into English. But my beef with that scenario is that the person
> didn't try Japanese first, or at least ask if the person speaks English
> before launching into English (that's an issue of manners more than it is
> one of assumptions.) When you are in Japan, I think Japanese should be the
> default language for everyone. Once it has been determined that someone
does
> not speak Japanese, then it is okay to proceed to finding a language with
> which you can communicate with the person.

I'm in agreement with all of the above.
Japanese people tend to assume all gaikokujin do not speak Japanese.

> But none of this changes the fact
> that it is still far more likely (and thus a safe assumption) that such a
> person (whether from Africa, Europe, North America, etc.) will be able to
> communicate in English as an alternative to Japanese. In other words, once
> it has been determined that the person cannot speak Japanese, making the
> assumption that they can communicate in English is a safe one.

Ah, now that's still an assumption.
Japanese people tend to assume that if a gaikokujin does not speak Japanese,
then
that person must speak English.

> But you
> should still confirm that that is indeed the case before launching into
> English.

Yes, if one is fluent enough to launch.