Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "USA" Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.korean,fj.soc.politics References: <365fcc52.0306100628.3fa80817@posting.google.com> <5ba2f89c.0306110034.40939220@posting.google.com> <365fcc52.0306140230.33bf3e37@posting.google.com> <5ba2f89c.0306142041.748b0974@posting.google.com> <5ba2f89c.0306152223.7895710d@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Japan should send its force to Iraq Lines: 82 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: <5_iHa.6337$Uj1.384@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:45:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.205.97.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1055767553 151.205.97.43 (Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:45:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:45:53 EDT Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.soc.politics:3239 wrote in message news:5ba2f89c.0306152223.7895710d@posting.google.com... > "USA" wrote in message news:... > > > > > Japan as America's lap dog, as usual. > > > > > > > > So what? actually Koizumi is a descendant of the Satsuma Hayato who > > > > had raised the pseudo British civilization of the Meiji era. > > > > > > Is this really a retort, so what? Japan's highest war criminals, starting > > > with Hirohito, got pardon from Americans, so there is Japan willing to > > > oblige America's request, only because it suits Japan. In other words, > > > it's usual Japan trying to weasel out its way without having to accounted > > > for its past. > > > > And what the hell is your rant suppose to mean? > > Hirohito wasn't a war criminal because we never charged him or tried him as > > one. > > He never got a "pardon" because he didn't have to. > > And all that has nothing to do with what;s going on in Japan now or it's > > decision to send > > JSDF troops to Iraq. > > If you feel you must have ONE reason for all that is happening it is...Kim > > Jong iL. > > North Korea with their continued belligerence has managed to accomplish what > > the US > > has been trying to do unsuccesfully since 1950. > > > You are right, Hirohito didn't have to get pardon because he wasn't > charged with war crime - because Americans didn't want to face whole > Japan, because Americans found that Japan was more useful as a staging > point against Soviets rather than anything else. Yes I'm glad that we agree on this. > And it suited Japan > fine. It didn't have to account for its past, and now that it suits > to start seemingly expansionist military, it's fine to as long as it > suits to Japan. This is where you are speculating and throwing your anti-japanese racism into the mix. At the end of WWII Japan was completely devastated and absolutely at the mercy of the United States. Frankly, I don't believe Japan would have cared one way or the other whether it had to account for anything or not. The fact is that the Tokyo War Crimes trials were held and number of people were found guilty and sentenced to death. There were many Japanese who blamed these people as well as theformer Japanes military for the devastation brought on because of the war. Officially, Japan did account for everything. It is merely an unfortunate circumstance that not "everyone" was included. For example China was represented by the Nationalists under Chiang Kai Shek. This is one of the reasons that PROC today which represents China feels that it never had any say or recourse against Japan. But all this really doesn't have much to do with the current upgrading of the military in Japan. From 1945 until now Japan has resisted all efforts, even those of the United States, to upgrade their military. It took the provactive launching of a missle over Japan in 1998 by North Korea to start turning public sentiment around and ther current nuclear stand-off and continous NKorean threats to get the government moving.