Eric Takabayashi wrote:
> Rykk wrote:
>
>> The state is empowered to find proof of crime.  The US has the most
>> effective forensics team in the world.  We even invented the process
>> for reconstructing plane crashes etc,. to discover thier cause.
>
> Do you see room for improvement (particularly in the Middle East).
> And they would be able to do better, if they were allowed to know
> instead of being hamstrung by claims of privacy. They might find for
> example, that the missing persons case is not a missing persons case
> at all but a murder.

Improve, yes, throw it away, no.

>
>>> If we were allowed to know the truth, innocent people wouldn't need
>>> to be accused.
>>
>> How do you propose that "WE" be allowed to know the truth?
>
> We in the general sense. I refer to law enforcement.

Then they are.

>
>> I'll also remind you that a witness in the US is not required to
>> purjur themselves.
>
> So don't. Anybody involved can sit on the sidelines and shut up. Let
> the police find the evidence for themselves.

Implanting surveilance items would be the equivilant.

> Let's try.

Look.  Once a system such as you speak of gets in place it will destroy 
everything.  You MUST perserve peoples right to privacy.  Because some 
CRIMES are not.  Sooner or later, whatever country you live in, however 
benign the goverment is now, the goverment will turn on the people.  It is 
imperative that the goverment not be given such extreme control.  Citizens 
need guns, citizens need privacy.  That way if some group gains control and 
decides that your groups needs to be eliminated.  You can fight back or at 
least hide in a hole until the goverment changes again.

Rykk