"Chilla" <charlesanderson@optushome.com.au> wrote
> Bushcraftgregg wrote:
>> Just curious Fred, not to sound like I'm picking a fight because I am
>> not. But why do you consistently mention, almost every time that guy
>> posts, that you still have a valid monicker at his site?
>>
>> Was this a hard thing to accomplish or are you just jabbing at him
>> because he doesn't happen to know your monicker on his own group so he
>> could get rid of it, just to have you make up another one or
>> something? Maybe I'm missing something, just curious.
>
> He mentions it because he thinks I'm listening to him.  The only time I 
> see what he has to say is when someone replies to him.
>
> The story is this, and can be verified if you go back through the archives 
> :-
>
> Steve Kramer was a member of this group before the (self professed) troll 
> boys turned up.
>
> The boys were greeted and kindly asked to stop posting crap, as up until 
> this time Mr. Kramer was posting valid and helpful information.



**LOL!!!! Most of his posts consisted of him blowing his own trumpet and 
patting himself on his back.



>
> They told the rest of the group that they would stop posting if Mr. Kramer 
> left the group, which he did.  However they kept posting, and dredging up 
> a lot of stuff that was off topic (and still do to some extent).
>
> The agenda is to find out where Mr. Kramer has gone and basically make a 
> lot of static, this also came to a head when they started posting on a 
> cancer support group, and it wasn't the Steve that they knew.  It was 
> terrible and I could only feel remorse at shameful their actions.


**It was an honest mistake that was quickly rectified (an apology was 
offered and accepted) before any harm was done.

>
> Regardless I created a Yahoo list called rec-knives, and posted an 
> invitation to rec-knives here.  The bait was obviously too tempting to 
> pass up and the boyz created multiple bogus accounts (as if I wouldn't 
> check with IP tracking tools).  Especially when I said key words like 
> "security", and "wont get in".
>
> However I didn't care, my main purpose was to create a group that was a 
> member farm, and I could issue invitations to those that were valid users.
>
> The way Yahoo lists work is by numbers, if the group looks popular a lot 
> of searchers join, if the numbers are small people pass on the group.
>
> No one knew the list was bogus except me.
>
> After I got about 200 members shipped off to other "real" groups,


**200??????? ROFL!!!!!! That's bullsh*t Chucky, and you know it.   :-)

If you had said 2 or even 20 we might have believed you, but NOT 200. Your 
list was only going for about a year and there is NO WAY you had anywhere 
near 200 members.



> I came clean and apologised to rec-knives for the subterfuge.


**Did you apologise to Howard Aslan as well???   *grin*



>  I wasn't proud of it.
>
> Naturally Fred was upset at being used in such a manner and created 
> multiple personalities here to state that the "trolls" were honourable and 
> my actions were far worse.  They also tried to say that I didn't fool 
> them... well I did.
>
> After I had closed the group Fred still insists that he has a membership 
> there... well good for him, the list no longer exists, as moderator of the 
> group I exercised the right to delete the group.
>
> I see Fred's posts on occasion when people such as yourself respond to 
> him.  I genuinely feel sorry for him, as he has proved he's deluded, and 
> really if he needs my affirmation of his existence, he's a very sorry 
> individual indeed.
>
> Well anyway Fred I raise my glass to you, I hope one day you get past your 
> pointless games, and actually contribute something worthwhile to society.
>
> That's the history.


**Bullsh*t is a better way of describing it.   :-)

>
>
>
> Regards Charles
> P.S.  Fred will no doubt try to defend himself or his actions, but with 
> global warming don't you think we have enough hot air?


**After reading thru your post I'd say hot air was a pretty good summary of 
it.    :o)


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