Declan Murphy wrote:

> Eric Takabayashi wrote:
> > Declan Murphy wrote:
>
> >>>He can refuse, or quit. Or disobey any order to deploy
> >>>outright. People who don't want to get hurt or die, or
> >>>their loved ones to get hurt or die, should reconsider
> >>>such careers.
> >>
> >>In the case of her boyfriend/husband/brother/whatever, there is a very
> >>strong likelihood that *at the time of enlistment* it was explicitly
> >>understood by all and sundry that service in the JSDF would not involve
> >>deployment outside of Japan and/or its exclusion zone except for
> >>training abroad or possibly (if he signed up within the last 10 years)
> >>on UN blue helmet duties.
> >
> > If they are that ignorant about what their training or jobs are about, then
> > they (JSDF) need to get real.
>
> Do you actually read a post before replying to it? Do you understand
> what is meant by the terms "time of enlistment" and "term of
> enlistment"?

Yeah. And even if the penalty is possible jail time or the equivalent of a
dishonorable discharge, if avoiding death in Iraq or being with his selfish
girlfriend are so important, he can choose that yesterday.

Recall the fuss that occurred when I revealed I felt sorry for people deployed
in Iraq, away from their loved ones for a year or more, in possible danger.

Why the different reaction about some Japanese?

> We have no way of knowing what her partner's views are (I
> would think that he probably wants to go), but if he did sign up at any
> stage before say 2001 or so, then the terms of his enlistment as
> presented to him would have been fairly different to what is now
> occuring. Do you dispute that?

Yes. Japanese were in the region in 91, too, also for "non combat" roles, and
have been in other "non combat" roles elsewhere in the world, sometimes carrying
actual weapons. SDF members know damned well what could occur, ie, actual
fighting and dying. Those Hokkaido people planned to be sent were allegedly
meant to defend against the Soviet Union. Ha ha.

> > Interestingly
> > enough, it is reported that SDF members aren't the ones complaining.
>
> As I said above, he probably wants to go. All of the members of my
> family who have served were also keen to go (to Iraq and elsewhere).
> Considering the opportunities for promotion, danger pay etc, why
> wouldn't any professional soldier not want to?

Because they may not want the possibility of dying or being separated from their
families.

Are you now claiming that JSDF personnel are "professional soldiers"?

> >>Depending on the term of his current
> >>enlistment, he may not yet have been given the opportunity to reconsider
> >>his position now that the goal posts have been shifted.
> >
> > I feel as sorry for that man, as I feel for any other person deployed.
>
> No need to.

Why, when you are the one playing devil's advocate bringing up the possibility
the man did not know what he was getting into at the time of his enlistment?

> And as a general rule the best thing to do with your
> sympathy would be to shove it far up your arse.

All right. Fuck him. I hope he gets to be the one to make the news and Japanese
history. And Japan will forget him as quickly as they forgot the other two dead
Japanese.

> > But he needs no "opportunity". If being safe or staying with his girlfriend
> > in Sapporo are so important (again note that it is his girlfriend being the
> > selfish bitch, there is NO mention of what the man thinks or says), he can
> > handle that right now.
>
> Well there is only one way he would be able to handle it - ie leave her
> and go to the middle east as ordered. I find it incredible that you
> could suggest "He can refuse, or quit. Or disobey any order to deploy
> outright".

Why, if he is any whining bitch like his girlfriend, or the reporters or
producers who put her on?

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