Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!Q.T.Honey!enews.sgi.com!news-out.superfeed.net!propagator2-maxim!feed-maxim.newsfeeds.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F5A4F3E.8030503@hotmail.com> From: Jim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan Subject: Re: Math Help References: <3f58119b.7805385@news1.mm.com> <3f58d7c5.11612336@news1.mm.com> <3F58EF3A.5060700@hotmail.com> <3F5966BA.AD94D9A4@yahoo.co.jp> <3F59F845.4050806@hotmail.com> <3F5A2104.79F375F4@yahoo.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 14:18:54 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.173.88.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 1062883475 65.173.88.200 (Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:24:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 21:24:35 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:5203 Eric Takabayashi wrote: > > But you are conveniently still getting away from the issue of Japanese racism and > exclusion (or how people may not consider ethnic or cultural minorities like > hypen-Americans or Muslims as American either). Debito is choosing to act in a non > traditional or confrontational way, but he remains a Japanese citizen, and Japanese > citizen only, yet people would deny him the rights of a Japanese because of how he > looks or where he was born. Well, maybe rights of a Japanese only come to those who "look" and "act" Japanese? I know that in the USA, your ethnic background doesn't matter one whit when determining citizenship... it's all geographical "where were you born". For native- born Americans, anyway. It seems Japan doesn't have such a concept of being "native-born" Japanese... unless your parents are racially Japanese (whatever that means). You think that Japanese culture should be changed to imitate the American model? I know that the world over people will tend to congregate in groups and exclude the outsiders, but I think you are more concerned with state-sponsored or sanctioned discrimination like in Japan, right? > The more common examples of naturalized Japanese such as > ethnic Asians (who may have lived here since they were born and ONLY culturally > Japanese) or people who have deliberately assimilated themselves such as Rui Ramos, > Musashimaru, Akebono or KONISHIKI, should be respected and not considered "gaijin". > So you *are* agreeing with most Japanese that if you look and talk like a native, you're not a gaigin but Japanese? And all those people who dont't look, act and speak like Japanese shouldn't be respected, either? -Jim