"John Yamamoto-Wilson" <j-yamamo@sophia.ac.jp> wrote in message news:<bbb3p2$7nnd1$1@ID-169501.news.dfncis.de>...
> Kaz wrote:
> 
> > Well, Britain still holds its main power but as far as I know,
> > Scotland wants to be independent and you have already lost the
> > majority of Ireland.
> 
> Some confusion here, I think. You mean "England", not "Britain", right?

Yes.

> Actually, from its voting patterns, I think Scotland as a whole is more
> interested in socialism than in independence, but if Blair and Blair-think
> continue to dominate the scene that may change. Southern Ireland is, indeed,
> independent but, until recently, it continued to "service" the UK, providing
> it with a large percentage of its construction site labour. This reminds
> me - let the "Tokyjaps" (as you call them) commit cosmetic surgery upon
> their persons as they wish, but for pity's sake let them stop perpetrating
> those "public works" programmes, pouring concrete over every available inch
> of the country (worst of all when they use Kinai labour to do so)! When they
> die, they'll take their faces with them, but the legacy on the landscape
> will endure.

I don't think many Kinai people are pouring concrete for unnecessary
structures. Actually most of those laborers are from the rural areas
of Japan, especially Tohoku and Kyushu. And many civil engineering and
construction companies in this country are owned by the Koreans. In
that way, Japan is still paying tributes to the Koreans and Korea.

> > And I think the real main power-holder of your
> > Anglo-Saxon world is not Britain anymore, and it's your countrymen US
> 
> Oh, absolutely. Blair is just Bush's poodle. But it seems the "Anglo-Saxon
> world" is not as "Anglo-Saxon" as we have been assuming. The majority of
> "English" are apparently about 50% Celtic in their genetic make-up, and the
> Celts, in turn, have a significant amount of Stone Age blood in them (from
> what are known as the "Beaker people" and, possibly, the Celts, who may or
> may not have been pre-Celtic in origin). *Culturally*, it's a different
> matter, and what we popularly think of as Anglo-Saxon culture may indeed be
> reaching its apotheosis in the United States.

You mean it's like many Kinai people have moved to Tokyo, and then
Tokyo is now turning to be like the new Kinai?  I recall someone was
insisting that today's Kinai is Tokyo and not Kansai in
fj.soc.politics........
But I think they are still immature in many parts of their behavior.

> > now, just like our countrymen Tokyo holds the real power of Japan. So
> > you say Kinai is the one that lost its power but I think England
> > itself is also kinda Western version of Kinai. You have all those
> > traditional and classic things, but economically, Britain is behind
> > the US, just like we have all those traditional classic things in
> > Kinai, but recently, economically behind Tokyo.
> 
> That's an interesting way of looking at it. Kinai is to Kanto (especially
> Tokyo) as Britain is to the US. There's something in the analogy, I feel.
> 
> Now, I made myself a bit "famous" in this newsgroup a couple of years ago by
> criticising a posting about American gun laws and the constitution (I was
> upset that it was not only unrelated to life in Japan, but not even
> comprehensible to the majority of people who were not from the US). I came
> off worst in that flame war, I fear, but did at least manage to score a
> minor victory by gaining recognition of the term "USian".
> 
> Now you've got me fantasising about where I might have got to if I'd started
> calling Bush's citizens "wanking US Saxons", or whatever, instead of
> "USians", or whatever, in the same vein as you like to refer to your fellow
> countryfolk from Tokyo!

i think those people in newer developped land like Kanto or Sepponia
often look wild and aggressive to Kinai type traditional matured
people. And that's why the Tokyo dialect is so offensive to many Kinai
people. Tokyo dialect often reminds Kinai people as the immature
rustics in undeveloped land. The conflict between Kansai and Kanto,
which has been lasted for long time in this country, is caused by such
language and social behavior issues. Many Kinai people still can't
accept the sloppy behavior of Tokyo people such as making big noise
when they eat Soba, or eating sushi with fingers.....etc.

I was aware that many British dislike Sepponians just like Kinai folks
do to Tokyo folks with some complicated feeling structured by some
sort of envy toward the energetic new world and some sort of contempt
against the immature new world, two diametrically different sentiments
mixed together. Funny phenomenon common to both Kinai is that while
they despise those people in their newer lands as vulgar, such
pro-baseball fan like Hanshin freaks or some pro-foot ball freaks like
hooligans act really vulgar and wild. They both look like they have
nothing else in their lives besides being such crazy sports freaks....
because of the declination of their society and economy situation
caused by its shifting the main power to their new world.

Academically analyzing, I think the world's main power has already
moved to the Pacific sides. The common thing to both Tokyo and
Sepponia is they both face to the Pacific. Kanto-Tokai region is the
Pacific region of Japan while Kinai is more like the inland-sea and
the Japan Sea region which is facing to the Eurasian continent. Kinai
civilization has been looking down on the Pacific civilization ever
since the ancient times and the pacific world is a completely unknown
world to the Kinai civilization. Even in Sepponia, west coast facing
to the Pacific is more growing than the east coast of Sepponia. East
coast of Sepponia is getting like Kinai and is also declining. I
analyze there as Sepponian version of Shitamachi of Tokyo. Shitamachi
region of Tokyo has somewhat Kinai civilization which had been
transmited in the Edo era, but Tokyo has turned its civilization
centered in the other new side of Tokyo after the Meiji restoration.

> Answer? *At best*, I'd have had people talking about my "violent and deluded
> fantasies" and asking if I was taking my medicine, just like you've got over
> at fj.soc.politics! At worst, I'd have been waylaid in a dark alley one
> night...
> 
> Quite apart from the fact that I don't actually *want* to use such terms,
> who wants to live with all that aggro?
> 
> Answer? Not me! And you?