Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!gcd.org!news.yamada.gr.jp!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Kevin Gowen Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan Subject: Re: Floridians against the spread of homosexual values Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:56:43 -0500 Lines: 91 Message-ID: <34lvabF4c76f7U1@individual.net> References: <34j7lmF4cbosrU2@individual.net> <34jau0F4cbosrU3@individual.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net kGie5lMN+BkyRVPXJxW2pAky+vqzDmJmrMpwxKAXwwXS/8Lvow User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:24446 necoandjeff wrote: > Kevin Gowen wrote: > >>necoandjeff wrote: >> >>>Kevin Gowen wrote: >>> >>> >>>>necoandjeff wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"The U.S. Supreme Court refused on Monday to hear a constitutional >>>>>challenge to a 1977 Florida law that bans gays and lesbians from >>>>>adopting children, the only such state law in the nation." >>>>> >>>>>Kevin, you must be a proud bunch to be the only state stupid enough >>>>>to actually think that gays make unfit parents. >>>> >>>>Florida doesn't think anything of the kind. The gays are as free to >>>>procreate as anyone else. >>> >>> >>>Which just demonstrates how stupid this law really is. To be >>>consistent with the only remotely socially acceptable >>>rationalization for such a law (avoiding the psychology harm to >>>children, for which there isn't a shred of evidence, but it sounds >>>good enough), it would have to prevent homosexuals from procreating >>>in addition to adopting. >> >>Kind of like how we don't recognize incestuous marriage but do not >>prevent incestuous procreation. (by artifical means; incestuous sexual >>intercourse is a crime under Florida law) Please, the argument about >>"consistency" is a loser. > > > Again I have to say, the reason you dislike argument by analogy so much is > simply that you suck at making analogies... No, I dislike argument by analogy is that it does not offer deductive conclusions. I'm having trouble seeing the analogy. Could you put it into A:B::C:D format for me? That would help. > Your resting your argument on the > unwillingness of the legislature to impose forced abortions? Yes, that's > quite a surprising result isn't it... I don't know any people who rest their arguments on the unwillingness of the legislature to impose forced abortions, so I cannot respond to straw man arguments involving them. >>>But of course Mr. Peterson, the >>>law's sponsor and Floridian extraodinaire, was kind of enough to >>>articulate for us the real reason behind the law: "the purpose of >>>the legislation was to send a message to gays and lesbians that >>>'we're really tired of you. We wish you'd go back into the closet.'" >>>Yes, a proud state indeed, that Florida. >> >>California should be prouder. It only took two tries to outlaw sex >>with human corpses. >>http://tinyurl.com/3njsw >> >>Apparently, a man's having sex with the corpse of a four-year-old girl >>was insufficient to move the legislature. > > > I appreciate the fact that your own personal moral outrage regarding the > behavior of those out on the left coast may be a higher priority for you > than several hundred living children currently in need of a home in your own > state, "Gee, Officer, why did you pull me over for speeding? Shouldn't you be out arresting rapists and murderers?" > but would you care to compare the number of heretofore unprosecutable > cases of necrophilia in California (let's not include those who have sex > with people they have just killed, since those people are already subject to > prosecution and fairly harsh penalties, I see that you oppose hate-crime legislation. We agree! > which means we're basically left > with the odd rogue morgue employee) with the number of kids available for > adoption or the number of homosexuals in Florida willing to provide a loving > home to a child in need? Lots of people are willing to provide a loving home to a child in need. That fact does not matter. - Kevin