Path: news.ccsf.jp!tomockey.ddo.jp!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!t3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: koobee.wublee@gmail.com Newsgroups: alt.math,japan.sci.math,sci.math,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: GPS question Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:49:52 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 51 Message-ID: <1faf92f1-847e-41c9-b6eb-09556cdeb0bc@t3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.148.106.193 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1235414992 28218 127.0.0.1 (23 Feb 2009 18:49:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: t3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=99.148.106.193; posting-account=PTS84AoAAACr67p51zvy0Hlr3LkoIUcc User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; InfoPath.2),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: news.ccsf.jp japan.sci.math:175 On Feb 20, 4:33 am, "Jon" wrote: > Supposing three satellites transmit signals with time stamps that are pic= ked > up by a receiver. If the clocks on the satellites are closely synchroniz= ed, > then > > |AD|=3D|AB|+t_AB > |BD|=3D|BC|+t_BC > |CD|=3D|CA|+t_CA > > Where > A,B,C=3Dposition vectors of three satellites > AB,BC,CA=3Ddistances between satellites > t_AB,t_BC,t_CA=3Dtime differences between signals at D. > D=3Dposition vector of receiver. > > Once |AD|,|BD|,|CD| are found, the coordinates of D can be derived. > > Is this how it is done? > > summarized at > > http://mypeoplepc.com/members/jon8338/math/id8.html You need four satellites where each satellite should know its time and position. Time can just be a counter with all the satellites synchronized to within a count of each other. Each satellite then just broadcast its time and position information as almanac signal to whoever wants to receive it. Since the distance is traveled by light with a known speed, you can then easily form a set of four equations with four unknowns. The four unknowns are your time (relative to the counter in each satellite) and position. ** c^2 (t1 =96 t)^2 =3D (x1 =96 x)^2 + (y1 =96 y)^2 + (z1 =96 z)^2 ** c^2 (t2 =96 t)^2 =3D (x2 =96 x)^2 + (y2 =96 y)^2 + (z2 =96 z)^2 ** c^2 (t3 =96 t)^2 =3D (x3 =96 x)^2 + (y3 =96 y)^2 + (z3 =96 z)^2 ** c^2 (t4 =96 t)^2 =3D (x4 =96 x)^2 + (y4 =96 y)^2 + (z4 =96 z)^2 Where ** (t1, x1, y1, z1) =3D Time and position of satellite 1 ** (t2, x2, y2, z2) =3D Time and position of satellite 2 ** (t3, x3, y3, z3) =3D Time and position of satellite 3 ** (t4, x4, y4, z4) =3D Time and position of satellite 4 ** (t, x, y, z) =3D Time and position of the receiver Notice that relativistic effect is never needed.