Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: ksm_2501zx@yahoo.com.br (2501) Newsgroups: japan.anime.evangelion,rec.arts.anime.misc Subject: The Matrix Trilogy and EVA. Date: 29 Dec 2003 06:53:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 75 Message-ID: <10e60fcf.0312290653.70641314@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.204.142.231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1072709601 29966 127.0.0.1 (29 Dec 2003 14:53:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org japan.anime.evangelion:7184 From: Drinian (sailracer6@yahoo.com) Subject: Matrix Revolutions and Eva... Without putting out any spoilers so soon... Did anyone else get the vibe that the Wachowski brothers were big Evangelion fans out of watching Matrix Revolutions? My friend and I seem to think so (not to mention Dragonball Z). And what was your opinion of Revolutions? I thought it conflated several religions into a mess while simultaneously attempting to become a 'Star Wars' - sized Hollywood epic. Not to mention some terrible, terrible dialogue from everyone except Smith. At the same time, the ending was fairly unexpected and I was somewhat happy with it (if not so much the deonument). Drinian: http://www.duke.edu/~amt13/ From: James M (ozone@snip.net) Subject: Re: Matrix Revolutions and Eva... Drinian wrote in message news:boffg4$1dhve5$1@ID-210864.news.uni-berlin.de... > Without putting out any spoilers so soon... > > Did anyone else get the vibe that the Wachowski brothers were big > Evangelion fans out of watching Matrix Revolutions? My friend and I seem > to think so (not to mention Dragonball Z). Less Eva than anime in general was the feeling I got. Strong anime influences on several scenes. > > And what was your opinion of Revolutions? I thought it conflated several > religions into a mess while simultaneously attempting to become a 'Star > Wars' - sized Hollywood epic. Not to mention some terrible, terrible > dialogue from everyone except Smith. At the same time, the ending was > fairly unexpected and I was somewhat happy with it (if not so much the > deonument). > I just saw it today, it was Ok. I expected a bit better plot after the 1st two films. Once again, strong anime influnce with the semi-spirtual imagery. I don't think it was that the dialogue was bad as that they insisted on using every movie cliche to the hilt making the dialogue predictable. Still, very spectacular. Some other things: The Matrix is not about the infamous theme "the war against the machines" at all. It is about the war against "sleep". It reflects nicely well the standpoints of P.D. Ouspensky and his master Gurdjieff. It is also(therefore) a direct criticism to the consumer society world and its inhabitants, the sacred mass-produced "men"(the major system agent is named _SMITH_ --- and as a good servant of the capitalistic production modeS, he does reproduce itself like a virus --- or rather, like a cancer cell). Sion does not sleep, but the "modern" world does. The dialogues are not terrible at all, quite on the contrary. Without them, only the FXs and "action" sequences would be left, and the movie would not be worth seeing(IMNSHO of course). HTH. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\